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You are not prepared!

I should have taken Illidan‘s wise words to heart.

As others have also expressed to me, Holocaust denial seems like a particularly evil form of pseudohistory. The belief is inextricably linked to a rather violent form of anti-Semitism, in thought if not in deed. People who deny the Holocaust are keeping Hitler’s dream alive by attempting to erase the genocide of European Jewry.

I have read a lot about Holocaust denial in skeptical publications, published on paper or online. In the ’90s I followed David Irving’s libel case against Deborah Lipstadt, who had rightfully called him out for his denialism and his bigotry. (And I was extremely pleased when he lost that case, and later declared bankruptcy due to the fines levied against him.) I was made to ponder a couple of Jewish people who denied the Holocaust, which reminded me of the Israeli Orthodox Jew who assassinated prime minister Yitzhak Rabin — something that I did and do still find very disturbing.

I believed I was prepared, knowing these people existed and having read all the suggested rebuttals, although I think trying to reason with Holocaust deniers is like atheists trying to change the minds of believers: generally a waste of time.

Then recently I looked at a Facebook photo album posted by someone I know barely at all. It was a very moving set of images from a visit to one of the Nazis’ most infamous death camps. I went to the comments to add my kudos, and found I had interrupted an argument between a rational commenter and an anti-choice radical who had gone into a comparison between abortion and the Holocaust. I stopped reading the guy and simply blocked him, but another commenter stopped me cold:

The Holocaust is a lie.

Skeptics always seem to joke, sometimes darkly, about issues like these, so before I jumped to a conclusion, I neutrally queried the “Pastor” (which was part of his name) about his meaning.

I had a shockingly visceral reaction to the answer. It began with my name, and then there was a very cogently written response including mentions of the Zionist media, that Hollywood created the Holocaust, and other things you’d expect from a student of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. And I just froze, with my body going into fight-or-flight mode. There was a lump in my stomach, my hands were sweating, and my heart was racing.

It may not have been an in-person exchange, but it felt personal nonetheless. Very personal. My mind flashed through the stories my grandmother told about our family that often included the aside  “(he died in the death camps).” I remembered interpreting a tour through a memorial museum for a group of deaf students, and how it felt having to remain professionally unfazed. I thought about the mountains of evidence I could have presented to this guy, personal stories, statistics, photos, everything.

Berlin's Holocaust memorial

And I walked away. I replied I’d be blocking him (not reporting, just a personal block), and then did so. I’ve walked away from many a brewing argument about a huge and/or emotional topic, having learned the technique from listening to my father’s views on many subjects on which we strongly disagree. He trolled me before I even knew what trolling was, and now being crippled by a lack of energy, I’m frequently walking away from discussions or arguments that I know will be fruitless and cost me energy that I can’t spare. And since the opening salvo had already awakened my animal brain, I recognized that I should and could not go further without descending into a really ugly situation.

But with this guy, it felt like I was caving. I don’t consider myself any kind of authority on Judaism, but I know enough from my upbringing and further study in college, as well as having an emotional connection to the Sunday Hebrew schools and seders and High Holy Days of my childhood, as well as the secular aspects of the culture that I loved. It seemed somehow that I should have held up the standard and challenged the pastor calmly and rationally in defense of it all. And I failed at that, even though it was the right thing for me to do.

Skeptics have their different areas of interest or specialty. Many people consider this or that person or practice to be pure evil, like homeopaths who let babies die from treatable illnesses, or the antivax crowd, or the people who are blocking the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” Everyone has a different view and experience of evil. But it turns out that for me, skepticism — which is a solid way of viewing the world and can be a shield against the ignorance and hatred — was no protection at all against the feeling that I was being spoken to by an evil man.

Someone in this comment thread opined that the abortion loonie and the pastor were both attempting humor, or “being a Poe” we might say. I don’t have any evidence, because I didn’t seek it, as to whether he was acquainted with the posters. I did see the pastor’s profile when I went to block him; at first glance it did not resemble a Poe to me at all, but I admit I didn’t read it thoroughly enough to confirm it. But as I thought about that, I realized it didn’t matter. Whether a true denier or a perfect parrot of one, the sentiments aimed at me hit home like nothing I’ve yet experienced since becoming involved with skepticism. It didn’t matter whether the person were serious or joking, because even if it was a joke, the words displayed the exact same sentiments as those who believe.

I don’t have a moral to this story, because I’m not going to presume something like “all skeptics should watch out for blah, blah, blah.” For all I know, you reading this post are able to counter all opposing, even offensive opinions with perfect calm, and more power to you if so.

It was a lesson to me, one I haven’t entirely figured out yet, about being prepared to be unprepared in the face of something I thought I could handle. About the uselessness of skepticism at moments like these. And about how scarily close I believe I could come to turning into one of those loonies, just by engaging with them.

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Weekend sendoff: TMI?

VaccineWhat an interesting week for me. I said that I would talk about Monday’s post from a more personal viewpoint today, and based on the comments on that post (about which more in a bit), I’d like to disclose my personal experience with HPV, cervical cancer, and critical thinking.

I’m one of those women who might well have benefited from the Gardasil vaccine. My HPV infection was not short-lived, and was associated with cervical cancer. After my initial abnormal Pap smear, I underwent numerous colposcopies and biopsies over the course of a year. I finally developed cancerous cells, and had to undergo LEEP to get rid of them. This was not due to a weak immune system. During my bout with active Graves’, I developed a chronically high white blood cell count, which persists to this day; additionally, findings show that people with CFS have upregulated immune systems. In other words, despite my illness, my immune system actually works better than most people’s — but my HPV strain was stronger. I acquired it in a monogamous relationship, after we’d gotten tested for STDs. My partner, who is now my husband, was told by two male doctors that those bumps on his penis weren’t anything to worry about, and by one male urologist that he’d already given me HPV so there was nothing more to do. (A female nurse practitioner, on the other hand, actually bothered to treat him.)

So does my personal experience invalidate my position on HPV vaccination? Yes, it would if I’d reacted to it the way the crazies do, and said “This is my personal experience, therefore I am convinced, and I’ll make up the science if I have to in order to convince everyone else.” During the course of my treatment, Gardasil was being evaluated by the FDA. Naturally I was very interested to hear about this, even though I was not a candidate for it. I read about it and discussed it with doctors whom I respect. I’ve continued to read about it to this day. I might not have had the most skeptical viewpoint at the time, but I do now, and my position still hasn’t changed: If I had a child, I would want to have him or her vaccinated against HPV. I understand the problem better than many because of my experience, but it’s the (valid) science that has made up my mind. If that science were eventually to show different findings, then I would investigate again and possibly re-evaluate my position.

One way it’s easy to tell that someone is trolling rather than actually presenting ideas for discussion is that he will bring up unrelated issues, and then accuse you of evading those issues when you choose not to take the bait. I do not pretend to be any kind of expert in the medical or biological sciences. I will never write a blog post explaining the medicine behind – well, anything, including my own conditions, except as far as my layperson’s understanding goes. My understanding is pretty good, if I may say so, but still, I am not a biological scientist or a science writer.

In my post on Monday, I wrote about the deceit and the delusion that are hallmarks of the conspiracy theorist, and in the comments, I was rewarded with several excellent examples of this. First, an antivax conspiracy theorist linked to various sites that hold no authority whatsoever, one of which provided a perfect primer for how misinformation is invented and disseminated. That person further attempted to press me into a debate on vaccinations. Why on earth would I want to debate someone who has already proven that he will stoop to lying to make his point? Also, the antivax looneybait is tempting, but tired, and has been disproven often and well enough by much more qualified people, that it’s a waste of time for me to regurgitate that proof at the whim of someone whose mind is already made up. My point was and still is the lack of and disrespect for critical thinking that lead to conspiracy theories endangering public health.

Meanwhile, Heidi’s comments became a perfect example of Poe’s Law, which was coined on a Christian discussion forum and goes like this:

Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won’t mistake for the real thing.

Heidi is actually an awesome skeptic gal whose comment nicely illustrated how Poe’s Law can apply to many extremist points of view, not just religious. Smart people commented either here or privately to me elsewhere, conveying their distaste with Heidi and/or her statements. And rightly so! I don’t blame the people who bought it: of course anyone who took that position for real should be vilified. That it was plausible her absolutely ridiculous point of view could be for real confirms that there are, in fact, beliefs out there that are just as fucking crazy, or far more so. And what does it say about a movement that someone who allegedly holds such a repugnant opinion is so easily believed to be an adherent?

One last, “non-partisan” thought on this. My little blog here dreams of aspiring to one day being a blip on the landscape. I love working on it and I truly appreciate every single person reading this right now, even those who disagree with me, but you are a…let’s be kind and call it an “exclusive” bunch. The fact that even I couldn’t write a piddling post of this nature without attracting a (proportional) amount of disagreement is quite the reminder to me of just how widespread and rancorous this debate has become. I don’t think I would have gotten the same kind of comments if I’d gone after Holocaust deniers or even the 9/11 wackadoos.

Well, I’ve had a lot of fun and also learned a lot. I feel like I should send you off with something relevant, so here is a Bad Astronomer post with a short talk by Dr. Joseph Albietz on the subject of vaccination. But it’s Friday, so here’s also something totally irrelevant: a musical clip from the new Sherlock Holmes movie. Or something.

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